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Some states define fly-fishing as using a "fly-rod, fly-reel and flies". The use of a reel should not be a defining aspect of fly-fishing.
This forum is a place to share information about how certain states define "fly-fishing" for the purpose of "fly-fishing only" waters. And, if you contact a state for clarification, how would they treat tenkara? (e.g. Connecticut defines fly-fishing as using "fly-reel", one of our users, Mr. Hackney, contacted the Connecticut authority for clarification, and they said Tenkara IS fly-fishing, see more in first post).

To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby erik.ostrander » Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:27 pm

Many of you are aware of the Utah Supreme Court decision on July, 2008 that gave back the public's right to access public water ways - whether they flow on private or public lands. This was a huge win by fisherman across the state. Since then, the legislature has been trying to resolve the issues that have come up from that decision every legislative session. This year there are two bills HB-80 and HB-141. Please, please contact your Utah representative and ask them to vote FOR HB-80 and AGAINST HB-141. I have attached my e-mail to my representative at the bottom

For those of you outside of the state I'm not sure who you would send your comments to, but please let them know that this legislation might affect your decision to spend tourism dollars in Utah - we've got to make people know there is more money to be made through greater access.



Link to HB-80's text: http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0080.htm

Link to HB-141's text: http://le.utah.gov/~2010/bills/hbillhtm/hb0141.htm

Link to "How to find your representative": http://le.utah.gov/house/DistrictInfo/NewMaps/State.htm



Below is a summary of the two bills:

HB-80 (Rep Fowlkes) - GOOD:

*Went through and open, public process involving multiple parties
* Provides education which will drive accountability
* Clarifies the unanimous Supreme Court Conaster decision
* It strengthens protections for landowners by defining the easement clearly, limits liability for landowners, increases trespassing penalties, and requires the public to be educated on the easement if they are going to use it.
* It benefits the public by defining the easement clearly recognized by the Supreme Court, allows for portage around man-made obstructions in streams
* It also clearly recognizes two competing rights and fairly balances those rights

HB-141 (Rep Mciffs Bill) - BAD:

* Repeals the Unanimous Supreme Court Decision - Conaster
"Line 78: (3) The public has no right to the recreational use of public waters on private property
Line 79: to which access is restricted, as defined in Section 73-29-102 , without permission of the
Line 80: property owner or as provided in Chapter 29, Public Waters Access Act."
* No public process
* It makes no attempt to balance the rights of private property owners and the public
* It is no attempt at a compromise in these competing rights.


This is my e-mail to my representative:

Representative Biskupski,


I'm emailing you to ask for your continued support on HB-80. I believe this bill to be a good clarification and support of the Utah Supreme Court decision that was made in the Conaster decision. HB-80 supports the public in a constitutionally granted right to access public waters - whether or not they fall on private or public land. I believe that the education provided as a result of section 73-6a-202 exemplifies the public's desire to respect public waters on private lands, and the bill offers land owners protection from lawsuits by section 73-6a-201. I believe HB-80 to be a good definition of the law that supports both land-owner rights and the public's rights.

Conversely, I would like to ask for your vote against HB 141 which is un-constitutional in it's blatant disregard for the Supreme Court of Utah. HB 141 takes away all access to public waters that flow on private lands - that's over 14,000 miles of water ways that will be stolen from the public. HB 141 would support the last several decades of unfairly compensating land owners at the public's expense - compensation that is granted by restricting access to the public. Not allowing the public on these river beds is immoral and wrong. Simply put, it is stealing away a constitutional right.

I urge you, please fight for the tens of thousands of recreators in Utah that would like their rights protected by HB-80.

Thank you very much for your help,

Erik Ostrander
Resident, District 30


Tell everyone you know about this and get them to contact their representative now!

Thanks all,
ERiK
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby rsetina » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:13 pm

Great news Erik! I have a friend who works at Sport Chalet that fishes in Utah fairly often and told us about his success on and near the Provo River. I don't know if it will happen this year but my wife and I will head up there sometime soon.
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby Daniel @ Tenkara USA » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:50 pm

Posted on our blog: http://www.tenkarausa.com/blog/

It's always a shame to see any access to waters closed. I have always been a fan of Access Fund, which focuses on protecting access to rock climbing areas, but am not so aware of a organization like that for fly fishing.
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby erik.ostrander » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:06 pm

Daniel @ TenkaraUSA wrote:Posted on our blog: http://www.tenkarausa.com/blog/

It's always a shame to see any access to waters closed. I have always been a fan of Access Fund, which focuses on protecting access to rock climbing areas, but am not so aware of a organization like that for fly fishing.


Thanks for posting that!

Utah has Utah Water Guardians for the fishing version of the Access Fund
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby erik.ostrander » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:04 am

HB 80 and 141 are going to vote Monday at 2:30. Get out there and lobby! The best times to be on the hill are Friday (today) between 10 and 12 during House Floor Time, and on Monday 10 to 12 and 2 to 4 - during the vote.

Yes on 80
No on 141
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby erik.ostrander » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:27 pm

Bill has been signed by the Governor today.

It is a sad, sad day. :(
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby rsetina » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:53 pm

erik.ostrander wrote:Bill has been signed by the Governor today.

It is a sad, sad day. :(


I take it that 80 lost and 141 passed. Sorry to hear the the sad news.
Rick

テンカラ。小さなストリームのシンプルさ。
My Tenkara Rods:
13' Ayu, 12' Yamame, 11' with a conversion handle, and an Ito.

My Wife's Tenkara Rods:
12' Ebisu and 13.5' Amago, 12' Iwana with a conversion handle, and an Ito.
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby Daniel @ Tenkara USA » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:42 pm

Wow....sorry man :( , it's a loss for us all.
I just can't believe the vote discrepancy was that large! Utah was still a good state in that front, and now they joined the states that limit access to good waters.
Thanks for helping spread the word, Eric, that's always needed and we appreciate you taking your time to do it.
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby erik.ostrander » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:26 am

Utah's recent legislation severely limiting access has been passed for several months now. In response, the Utah Stream Access Coalition has submitted a lawsuit fighting the constitutionality of the new law.

Go here for more details on the lawsuit.
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Re: To anyone in Utah or that ever wants to fish in Utah

Postby rsetina » Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:47 pm

Hope they are successful in their efforts to overturn the law.
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テンカラ。小さなストリームのシンプルさ。
My Tenkara Rods:
13' Ayu, 12' Yamame, 11' with a conversion handle, and an Ito.

My Wife's Tenkara Rods:
12' Ebisu and 13.5' Amago, 12' Iwana with a conversion handle, and an Ito.
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