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Homemade Tapered Line

Postby edrewshif » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:55 pm

I'm a huge DIYer and am attempting to construct my own tapered line with Kevlar thread, but am a little unsure about the taper that I should use. Right now there are two thoughts I have. If I'm making a 12 foot line, should I (1) have the line taper from end to end, or (2) have the line level for 6 feet and begin to taper off from there? Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions for me? Thanks for the input!

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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby dwalker » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:35 pm

edrewshif wrote:I'm a huge DIYer and am attempting to construct my own tapered line with Kevlar thread,... should I .. or (2) have the line level for 6 feet and begin to taper off from there? Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions for me? Thanks for the input!
Eric


Hi Eric,

I've not yet made my own furled tapered line. I have recently made, but not yet fished with tapered lines I have made by linking different sizes of braided line. I think your second choice would be the way to go. That is basically what I have done and here are two reasons why:

I've looked at a couple of web sites where in they seem to follow a formula of 50% + 30% + 20% of total line length or something close to it.

On this webpage he makes tapered line by joining different lengths of FC level line. Illustrated is a line of 5m. Notice he uses 2.5m of 7号 ( = 50%) + 1.5m of 5号 (=30%) + 1m of 4号 ( 20%)

http://www.ukeikai.com/a_others/col_koike/oth_koike.html

In the text he gives the lengths for making a 7m line and he follows the same formula
7 m = 3.5 m(7号): 2.1m(5号): 1.4m(3号)

Then if you look at this page showing a Sunline tapered line, they come pretty close to the same formula for an 8m tapered line. However, with this line the middle section is tapering along its length, and only the end sections are level.
http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info/language/en/products_id/16790/cPath/1943_2133_2376/fly-tenkara-keiryu.html

For the Standard line of 4.5 the formula for the 8 m line is:
62.5% + 25% + 12.5% or 5m + 2m + 1m

For the Expert line of 3.5 the formula for the 8m line is:
50% + 37.5% + 12.5% or 4m + 3m + 1m.

I took this as a thumb rule that perhaps there is a reason for making your line with 50% to 62.5% of total line length a level line of the heavier section before beginning to taper the line to a smaller size.

The above is about the simplest look at taper lengths I am aware of. The following explanations are more complex and it is a little more difficult to dig out length ratios as they talk more about size of the tapers and not so much the finished lengths.

http://midcurrent.com/knots/a-case-for-the-furled-leader/

Understanding furled leader formulas. Good links in the first post.
http://www.flyfishingwis.com/board/index.php?topic=7085.0


Just the observations of a rookie with no real first hand experience making my own furled lines. Maybe only worth 1.5¢. :roll:

Perhaps someone with real experience will provide much better advice.

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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby Karl Klavon » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:57 am

Here is a link to an instructional piece you may find helpful on making tapered furled lines out of fluorocarbon and or nylon monofilament: http://www.tenkaraonthefly.net/2011/07/diy-tenkara-line-furling-update.html There is also a short video showing how easy it is to hand-furle a line segment in the tapered line making process.
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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby tsegelke » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:01 am

I have tried to make some furled lines that tapered the entire length of the line. Unfortunately they turned out to be too heavy. I recently read and found some formulas for longer lines. They all seemed to show that you only taper the lat 8 feet or so, and the rest of the line is a same diameter.

I tried to find the article again but it has been removed.
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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby edrewshif » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:07 am

D,

That is so much information to take in and I appreciate it all. looks like I have some reading to do! I chose to go with the Kevlar thread instead of fluoro or mono because it doesn't stretch. The areas I tend to fish are very tight, so I catch some tree bass along with some trout. My level lines work well, but I hate having to stretch out the memory every time!

tsegelke,

What did you use as thread? And was it a two-strand or three-strand furl?

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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby tsegelke » Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:50 pm

I tried using the Kevlar, Uni Thread, and the small 16 sized thread. I have not made a three post one yet, I would need to get a furling machine for that. The bellies were too heavy to get a good drift, for the longer lines.

My most successful attempt was with the Kevlar. I was confident enough with the strength of the kevlar to only have 4 strands at the end.
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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby tsegelke » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:28 pm

Here is the link to the article on the three strand leaders I referred to earlier.

http://www.reelsmithing.com/files/Three ... eaders.pdf
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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby edrewshif » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:05 pm

I did see that link a few days ago, but it doesn't have much info past very basic stuff. I should probably just fork up the money for a Kevlar line and see if I can reproduce it to some extent.
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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby dwalker » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:43 pm

I forgot this link to a way of making furled lines using 3 coffee mugs. Karl Klavon posted it in another thread in this section a few weeks back.
http://www.tenkaraonthefly.net/2011/07/diy-tenkara-line-furling-update.html

Another method to make a furled line.

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Re: Homemade Tapered Line

Postby dwalker » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:23 pm

Reading Chapter 12, Making Tenkara Lines in : Tenkara - Radically simple, ultralight fly fishing. Kevin Kelleher mentions the Charles Ritz 60 - 20 - 20 Rule of lines, and when you might want to vary from that rule to to make a line that makes a more delicate cast.

I wasn't sure who Charles Ritz was nor what his rule of lines was and had to do a bit of searching. This link is about the simplest explanation I found, along with 3 variations from the normal rule. The formulas would be easy to do when making a tapered line from different lengths of mono-filament lines, perhaps a little more difficult to figure out how to get the same ratios when making a furled tapered line. But interesting information.

http://flyfisharkansas.com/articles/building-a-better-leader

Charles Ritz's book, " A Fly Fisher's Life - the art and mechanics of fly fishing", can be found on line at
http://www.fishinggarner.com/m2013/a_flyfishers_life_charles_ritz.pdf

I found it interesting that on page 100 he makes the same recommendation about fly choice, that Kevin's co-author, Misako Ishimura, told me at the Tenkara Summit in May.
For calm water - select a small fly, not overly bushy
For fast water - select larger bushier flies.
Despite the book's focus on western fly rod techniques, it is an interesting book, and some principles of casting and fishing would be applicable to Tenkara with some adaption.

fwiw,
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