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What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trips?

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What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trips?

Postby achilles38 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:43 pm

I've never backpacked for multiple days and have no gear for such a situation. All my trips have been day trips and I tend to hike quickly, fish quickly, moving constantly throughout the stream. I live in Southern CA and have tons of local areas for longer trips and have the John Muir and Pacific Crest trails within 4 hours of my house. I would like to start getting better acquainted with my mountains now so that when my 3, 6, 7 yr old kids are a little older our entire family can take 2-3 day backpacking trips. I've been camping my entire life, but it's always been in a tent within 1/4 mile of my car, or in my car.

What I'm asking is what is the bare minimum for me to acquire so that I can start taking trips now so that in a few years I'm experienced enough that I'll be comfortable taking my wife and kids? Money is an issue as I'm a public school teacher and the more the economy sucks in CA, the more pay cuts I get. I've already got all the fishing/tenkara gear I need and have been fishing since I was a kid, and I'm 34 now, so it's been a while.

Thanks in advance for any advice/suggestions,

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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby chorpie » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:04 pm

Well, you'll of course need the necessities:

backpack
fire/stove
water/purification
shelter
food

You can find a plethora of backpacks everywhere, but your best bet might be REI, tell them what you're looking for, then wait for their big sale (i forget when it is, but they do one every year) OR get a used backpacking pack.. There are tons of people like me that have multiples... you'll end up like that someday :)

Decide whether you want to cook over a fire (some places have fire restrictions so take that into account) or a stove. If you're going to eat dehydrated food on your trips (super convenient) I can't recommend a JetBoil enough. They are amazing, and will boil 2 cups of water in only a couple minutes. stove and fuel fit into the cup, so it's fairly compact. they also have adapters for the stove if you want to use a pot or pan with it, but those are unnecessary.

You'll have to have some means of water purification/filtration. Katadyn Hiker Pro is what i've used for years. MSR and others make equally good filters/pumps.

You can tent camp, or hammock camp, the gear might cost about the same either way. Tent, sleeping pad, sleeping bag OR hammock, bug net, sleeping pad sleeping pad (and a tarp if you want).

And then the food you'd bring. There are tons of options in the food department, from ramen to dehydrated meals, to single serving SPAM packets.
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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby chorpie » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:06 pm

What type of area will you be backpacking in? And at what times of year? That will affect some of your gear decisions.

Here's a generic basic list for three-season backpacking:

    -backpack
    -three-season down or synthetic sleeping bag (15° to 30°F)
    -sleeping pad ($5 for a blue closed cell foam pad at WalMart, more for inflatable)
    -canister stove and fuel canisters (jetboil, or other small-ish stove)
    -lighter and waterproof matches (yes, both)
    -eating utensils (all you need is a spork)
    -bowl (could be the dehydrated food bag if that's what you're using)
    -mug (mug optional if you have a jetboil as a cub is part of the kit)
    -headlamp w/extra batteries and bulb (invaluable as your hands are free)
    -32 oz. water bottles ( at least 2, platypus collapsible containers save sapce)
    -water filter, tablets, or drops (tablets and drops take time to work and don't necessarily taste good)
    -pocket knife or multitool
    -compass and map of the area
    -hat
    -sunglasses
    -first-aid kit with personal medications
    -stuff sacks
    -assorted zipper-lock bags
    -sunscreen (SPF 15+)
    -lip balm (SPF 15+)
    -food canister if necessary
    -food
    -toilet paper and trowel (some places will have you carry out your waste)
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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby jimmy-o » Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:32 am

Jeremy,

Chorpie has the backpacking essentials nailed.
Just a few of my own preferences...
I second Chorpies opinion of the Jetboil stove. it is the best bang for the buck as far as efficiency, packability, cook times etc.

As far as meals, I prefer to eat freeze dried backpacking meals. they are light, low volume and provide plenty of calories for hiking and activities at higher elevations. All you do is open the pouch and add boiling water (from your jetboil), seal the zip-lock top and wait several minutes, then eat.
I prefer the taste and quality of Mountain House brand over Backpackers pantry.

As for water treatment, I swear by Aquamira chlorine dioxide treatment drops. its all i ever use. Just mix part A with part B and add to your water and your good to go.It will treat 30 gal. of water. Best of all, it only weighs 4 oz. I also prefer to use a collapsible water bottle from Nalgene or Platypus. ( light weight, less volume).

I am in the same boat as you being a firefighter here in Utah. I have to work a second job. Time and finances are short.
Good luck with your trips. By the way, I used to live in Southern Cal. and all of these items can be purchased at Sport Chalet or REI.
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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby jd_smith » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:28 pm

chorpie wrote:What type of area will you be backpacking in? And at what times of year? That will affect some of your gear decisions.

Here's a generic basic list for three-season backpacking:

    -backpack
    -three-season down or synthetic sleeping bag (15° to 30°F)
    -sleeping pad ($5 for a blue closed cell foam pad at WalMart, more for inflatable)
    -canister stove and fuel canisters (jetboil, or other small-ish stove)
    -lighter and waterproof matches (yes, both)
    -eating utensils (all you need is a spork)
    -bowl (could be the dehydrated food bag if that's what you're using)
    -mug (mug optional if you have a jetboil as a cub is part of the kit)
    -headlamp w/extra batteries and bulb (invaluable as your hands are free)
    -32 oz. water bottles ( at least 2, platypus collapsible containers save sapce)
    -water filter, tablets, or drops (tablets and drops take time to work and don't necessarily taste good)
    -pocket knife or multitool
    -compass and map of the area
    -hat
    -sunglasses
    -first-aid kit with personal medications
    -stuff sacks
    -assorted zipper-lock bags
    -sunscreen (SPF 15+)
    -lip balm (SPF 15+)
    -food canister if necessary
    -food
    -toilet paper and trowel (some places will have you carry out your waste)


chorpie what were you thinking? On both posts you forgot to list the most important thing. I'll give you a hint...tenkara rod, line and fly's. :D
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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby chorpie » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:46 pm

jd_smith wrote:chorpie what were you thinking? On both posts you forgot to list the most important thing. I'll give you a hint...tenkara rod, line and fly's. :D



I was excluding those because he said this:

achilles38 wrote:I've already got all the fishing/tenkara gear I need and have been fishing since I was a kid, and I'm 34 now, so it's been a while.


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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby achilles38 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:51 pm

chorpie wrote:
jd_smith wrote:chorpie what were you thinking? On both posts you forgot to list the most important thing. I'll give you a hint...tenkara rod, line and fly's. :D



I was excluding those because he said this:

achilles38 wrote:I've already got all the fishing/tenkara gear I need and have been fishing since I was a kid, and I'm 34 now, so it's been a while.


:)


lol, great stuff

I really appreciate the time you guys took to post all the info for me. I'm going to start putting together some gear and hopefully get an overnight trip in the San Bernadino Mtns (45 min from my house) in Sept, then maybe a 2 nighter in the San Gregornio Mtns (55 min from house), both have rivers with wild trout and several perfect tenkara spots. Next summer I'll be ready for a 3-4 night excursion in the Sierras with my brothers, then its off to hike the entire Pacific Crest Trail, hahahaaa :lol: ya right.

thanks again guys for all the great advice. Now I've got my checklist and some shopping/collecting/craig's list shopping to do.

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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby Paul_Vertrees » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:26 pm

Here's my normal multi-day list...

Paul’s 5-7 Day Summer Rambling List
TOTAL WEIGHT: ~35 Lbs. (some items listed worn, not carried in pack)
All quantities are 1 each unless specified.

Kifaru KU 3700 Backpack

Kifaru KU Medium Pod containing Kifaru Para Tarp/Annex, pegs, Corona Model 7245 folding saw, and fly box and fly tools.

Western Mountaineering Apache MF Sleeping Bag stored in a Kifaru compression stuff sack

Kifaru Para Stove

Customized Cold Steel Trail Hawk

Pacific Outdoor Equipment Insulmat

Tyvek sheet (fits under pad and sleeping bag)

Kifaru Field Chair

Komperdell C-3 trekking poles, pair

Princeton Tec headlamp (stored in small pouch on backpack belt)

Digital Camera (carried on torso strap of backpack)

Tenkara USA 12’ Iwana and extra 11’ handle

Line spools with furled line, and level line.

Fly box and outfitted laynard

Rite in the Rain memo pad, 3”X5” and mechanical pencil (stashed in shirt pocket all the time)

Wristwatch

Clothing (stored in a large Kifaru Pullout):
Marmot Precip jacket and pants (top pouch)
Patagonia Micro Puff pullover w/stuff sack (stored separately in a homemade ultralight silnylon stuff sack)
Columbia Silver Ridge shirt (worn)
Arborwear Tech pants (worn)
REI synthetic t-shirt (worn)
REI silk weight long sleeve zip t
Cabela’s MTP lightweight long john bottoms
Patagonia Silkweight Boxers (worn)
Thorlo Trekking socks (1 pair worn, 1 pair extra)
Manzella liner gloves (top pouch)
Polarized Clip On Sunglasses and prescription eyeglasses (with strap) in Lexan case (glasses are worn)
Buff headwrap (for around the neck, for sleeping head cover) (top pouch)
Cotton bandana/hankie (carried in pants pocket)
Salomon Quest 4D boots
Crocs
Kifaru baseball cap (worn)
Victorinox Swiss Army Tinker pocket knife (worn on a lanyard and stowed in shirt pocket)

Possibles Pouch:
(All stored in a Kifaru Large Pullout)
Garmin Foretrex 401 GPS (stored in small pouch on backpack belt)
Brunton Model 54LU Compass (stored in small pouch on backpack belt)
Space Blanket
Area Map (Carried in small pouch on backpack belt)
Signal Mirror
Military Parachute Cord (50 ft.)
20 Matches in Waterproof Case plus a strip of striker material from an old box
Swedish fire steel (second fire starting method, in case Bic lighters don’t work)
2 ea. 1-gallon Ziploc bags
Large Heavy Duty Leaf Bag
Orange Survey Flagging (10 ft.), wadded up, wrapped with rubber band
Duct Tape (2”X3’)
Super Glue (.06 oz. tube)
Fingernail Clippers with four extra buttons attached with string
Trioxane Bar(s)
AAA Lithium batteries (4 ea.)
Energizer Size 2016 lithium batteries (2 ea.)
INOVA Microlight LED
Whistle/thermometer combo
Bic Lighters X2 (transparent)
Eze-Lap folding sharpner
Sewing Kit (stored in a 2” piece of aluminum arrow shaft)

Cooking/Food:
MSR Pocket Rocket Stove (only carried in mid-summer when it’s warm, otherwise the Kifaru stove)
Snowpeak Giga Power 110 g. fuel canisters (2 ea.) (only carried in mid-summer when it’s warm)
Evernew Titanium 1.5 L pot with lid (if I anticipate catching fish or killing small game) OR
Snowpeak Trek 700 titanium pot (if I’m just boiling water for meals)
Ziploc bowls with screw –on lids (2 ea.)
Snowpeak titanium spork
Evernew Titanium pot, 1L , with aluminum foil lid

Homemade dehydrated supper meals, double serving, 4.8 oz. (7 ea.)

Homemade breakfast meals, single serving, 2.54 oz. (7 ea.)

Homemade pilot biscuits (enough for one per supper meal)

Homemade lunch meals consisting of : Homemade pemmican, deer jerky strips (7 ea.), trail mix, veggie chips, fig newtons, homemade fruit leather, pita bread, asiago or parmesan cheese, Italian dry salami (5 each lunch meals)

Tazo Wild Orange and/or Passion tea bags (enough for 2 per day)

6 oz. Nalgene bottle full of olive oil (for cooking fish, marmot, grouse, snowshoes hares, etc.)

McCormick Creole seasoning, 2 oz. (makes all wild meat and trout taste GREAT)

Small Platypus Bladder (14 oz.) filled with The Glenlivet 12-year-old single malt scotch


Toiletries:
(Stored in a Pullout)
Baby Wipes in small Ziploc
Paper Towels in a Ziploc
Sunscreen in a 1 oz. Na1gene bottle
Insect repellant in a 1 oz. Nalgene bottle
Dental floss (small coiled-up bundle)
Toothbrush without handle
Toothpaste (in little squeeze envelopes)
Multi Vitamins (7ea.) (stored in a little Nalgene container)

First Aid Kit:
(Stored in a Pullout)
Ibuprofin (Motrin) 800 mg (12 ea. in a little bottle)
Loperamide Hydrochloride Tablets (6 ea.)
Tums (12 or so in a little bottle)
Moleskin, 3 sheets, 3.5”X4.5”
Butterfly Bandages, Medium Size (4 ea.)
Knuckle Band Aids (3 ea.)
Big 1 3/4"X4" Band Aids (6 ea.) (big enough to cover a heel)("Tough Strips" waterproof)
Fingertip Band Aids (3 ea.)
Gauze Pads, 4”X4” (4 ea.)
Non-adherent pads (2 ea.)
Regular Band Aids (5 ea.) ("Tough Strips" waterproof)
Antiseptic Towelette (3 ea.)
Iodine Prep Pad (1 ea.)
Chap Stick (1 tube) (Ultra SPF 30) (Rides in my belt pouch on backpack)
Sunscreen (1 oz. Nalgene)(Coppertone Sport)
Safety Pins (3 ea.)
Latex Gloves (1 pr.)
Eye Drops (1/6 oz. dropper)
Neosporin (1/2 tube)


Personal Protection: (not always carried)
Smith & Wesson Model 60
Holster mounted on backpack belt
10 rounds extra ammunition
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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby chorpie » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:09 pm

I'm not sure that anything Kifaru counts as "bare minimum" :)
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Re: What's the bare min for 2-3 day backpacking/tenkara trip

Postby achilles38 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:20 pm

chorpie wrote:I'm not sure that anything Kifaru counts as "bare minimum" :)


I checked out a few of the Kifaru items online, :o , those are pricey, but super nice and awesome. I'll have to stick with lower priced items for now.

Paul: thanks for the tips and all the info, I've created a page in my folder of camping, fishing, hiking info/ideas with all the info you and chorpie listed so I can have a checklist of some of the things I want to get and/or need so I can start my backpacking trips.

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