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Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby dwalker » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:41 pm

I found these Japanese tamo crafting web sites, maybe you will find some new information of interest. I've listed both the original web site and the translated link.

Tamo part1
http://tomisan.seesaa.net/article/97186956.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

Tamo Part 2
http://tomisan.seesaa.net/article/98438046.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

Tamo Part3
http://tomisan.seesaa.net/article/98691540.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

home made tamo
http://www.kousyu.net/dougu-tamo.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

another hand made tamo

http://kxd94995.ti-da.net/e2714238.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

more hand made tamo frames

http://turibaka.ti-da.net/c63751.html

translate – dries branch around bucket , 1 yr.

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

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Another interesting type Japanese net – but not tenkara style

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~WI2K-YMD/oshinone.htm
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby Daniel @ Tenkara USA » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:32 pm

Cool, many thanks for the resources. These look very good.
I was working on steam bending a couple of frames today, and for a second thought of wrapping them around a big pot I have, but decided against it because my branches wouldn't wrap nicely around it anyways. I may do it with one of them if I need to.
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby dwalker » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:43 pm

Wow, the best net making web page I have yet found. It is , I think, an Ayu fishing type net. But except for being larger diameter frame than the Tenkara type, everything else appears the same: natural tree branch, handle at and angle,etc. Perhaps the method of attaching the net to frame is different.

This is a large page, net making info is posted between other topics, some being beautiful pictures of traditional thatched Japanese houses. One picture ,about 1/8th way down from the top, of a village and fields photographed from a distance is just amazingly beautiful, you want to leave to go there today to see it for yourself. The caption above it translates “Legs stretched to the World Heritage Shirakawago incidentally”. I suspect a walk about a protected world heritage shrine of some sort, I suspect this is in Hokkaido, one place I have always thought I would like to see someday.

Most internet translation engines will only translate down a certain amount on a large web page before it stops translating, If you what a translation of that bit the only way I know to accomplish it is to copy and paste the un-translated bit into the translation page separately. ( tip – on this page the connected text is above the picture , if not beside it)

Anyway, enjoy this net making info, and it starts near the bottom of the page, so look down all the way :

http://www.geocities.jp/hagak1233/ayu2009.html

translated, at least some of it. But, hey, a picture is worth a thousand words and there are a lot of pictures.

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en


For you impatient types, I am sad to report that some of the text near the bottom of the web page translates saying that you should plan on two months just to finish the painting of the frame. That being said, I found it not surprising that the Japanese poster was quite impatient himself. One of the frames near the bottom tells how he was impatient to wait the 10 hours for adhesive to dry, only to learn later that because it was winter time the actual time to wait was 3 days.
“After reading the instructions carefully for 10 hours that summer.
Winter and that takes three days.
Shame Shame.”

Another web page :
This best thing about this next page is it shows how they repaired a frame which became broken during the fishing season. It may also offer a way to deal with a less than ideal tree branch , where on side is to small or weak, you can perhaps expoxy on a larger branch. fwiw

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/gonzo1208/c/93063 ... 09553e4548

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

I also have a couple of other tamo links, which are a bit different, and I am not certain ought be posted here. I will pm to Daniel and let him be amused, or disturbed , or decide they are ok and post them himself or not.

I have some other too which may prove worthy of posting later. Time to go fish.
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby Stephen McGowen » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:03 pm

WOW...Thank you for these posts !
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby rsetina » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:44 am

The amount of research you must be doing is incredible. Thanks for the links especially the one showing the repair done to the tamo that broke. He did a very nice repair.
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby Daniel @ Tenkara USA » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:01 am

Yes, many thanks for all the links. These are invaluable!!! Top notch sites.

My nets are currently drying, and though I really feel like going for it and finishing them, it's a good reminder to let them dry well. It's very important that there be no moisture in the wood before applying the finish to them.

I love the pictures of the Ayu fishermen, and the ayu being cooked. Makes me want to go back to Japan for a meal. Also, this is a good picture showing a tenkara net being used in slightly deeper water, where the angler can keep his hands free:
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby dwalker » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:53 pm

"The amount of research you must be doing is incredible."

Not to difficult really. I will pass along the trick and you can help find information.

I also have an interest in folding kayaks. A concept mostly of German origin. However, the Japanese are also very active folding kayak folks and have many blogs, and manufacturers of folding kayaks. Which I spent a good amount of time tracking down a few years ago. There was one guy in Hokkaido I was particularly intrigued by, he did many solo trips over several years, on different rivers there, made wilderness repairs to frames broken in rapids, modified his boats at home, made group inter-island trips, etc. Which he documented with pictures and cartoons. And he had a couple of pictures which seem to be a cultural thing in Japan. Rarely a picture of himself but a picture of his shadow, holding a paddle, the back ground being the surf or stream he was traveling on in the story. I've notice similar pictures on some of the tenkara web sites I've found. And oft found pictures of what was for dinner. Often fish but I never paid much attention to how he caught them.

Those searches is how I learned the trick to finding what I was looking for on Japanese web sites.
The trick to finding information about whatever topic on Japanese web sites is do your search engine searches using Japanese characters not Romanji translations.

Find a Japanese web site with the topic you're interested in, figure out as best you can what line on the page is the word group you're interested in, copy and paste it into the search field and do your search. A bit of trial and error to get to where you want to go. I usually paste what I think is correct phrase or word into a document and if I don't get what I want I try again with just part of the phrase or perhaps start over and find a new Japanese web page and copy and past a new phrase. They have different writing systems, kanji , kana, hiragana, etc., so depending upon which you copy you can get different results. Your computer also has to be happy dealing with Japanese characters. I'm using an iMac.

So find some Japanese words or phrases , for tenkara tamo , Meiho spool or whatever and give it a try. I still rely mostly on the images pages to find what I want. Just searching on tamo , in english, gives a lot of search results in Japan for just wood work, boards, cabinets, carvings, etc. It also turns up a lot of elephants in other countries for some reason. :o
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby dwalker » Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:16 pm

A little more tamo making from the same web site posted previously. Working on tamo # 2 and 3. With some difficulty getting the circle flat, requiring steaming and clamping between two boards. A little different process than before shown. Again note these are Ayu tamo , so a bit larger than the tenkara type, making them a little more difficult to straighten, I think.

http://www.geocities.jp/hagak1233/ayu2010.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en
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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby dwalker » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:09 pm

Today I found many tamo making web pages showing different ways to add handles and mould frames, etc. Perhaps I will post some of them later. For now the below links from one bloggers post are the ones I found most interesting and just an overwhelming amount of information. Or maybe its just that the photos are all high quality. However as you follow my discovery of this tamo information you will find it takes a bit of digging to find the relevant post.

Let’s start here , the google link I first found , and later managed to follow to much more information.

Gathering the tamo branch from the tree, initial cutting of handle end, cut direction determined by whether user is left or right handed. This is first step in making his first tamo , in 2007, it would be great to find his later posted steps. Planned diameter is 24 cm.

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/18430979.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

later checking , it appears this was the only entry for making tamo #1. However this is a link to making tamo #2. Which is larger tamo

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/20261731.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

link to tamo natural frame building
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/30983412.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

You might notice that he has a metal stand, a different diameter circle on each end for making different sized tamo frames. Very handy if you plan on making several and of different diameter.

beginning of ayu tamo frame
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/26455150.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/31203565.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/31363751.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

hmmm. It is very difficult to follow this guy steps in chronological order and the different tamo frames he is making. Plus the first post are from almost three years ago. Also he is providing so much information I think it best to let those interested to follow the blog entries and check the ones yourself which you find useful.

Start at the link below. It is a photo list of his blog entries, many photo thumbnails show a picture of the frame. However, many of the thumbnail images for that date’s entries show an unrelated picture but when you click on the blue link below the thumbnail image to open the page for that day’s post in a new tab you will frequently find tamo work on that page too. It just depends on what the first entry was for that day.

Start at page 10 the earlier entries are there. Most tamo entries I have looked at thus far are on pages 10 to 5. But as I said much tamo work is hidden behind an unrelated thumbnail picture. But sometimes not, it may be quicker to follow the thumbnails with a tamo image, only then if you find a missed step try earlier entries with out the tamo thumbnail image. It slow searching but it also often leads to other , unexpected stuff.

One bit of advice. He gathers mushrooms and other natural wild foods, fix yourself something to eat before you start looking at these web pages - you’ll get hungry. :)

Page 10
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/GA ... fid=0&p=10

Opps. Looks like I was wrong, You can go back further in time to earlier blog entries and earlier tamo work. :?

Page 30 24 Aug 2008 entries begin
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/GA ... fid=0&p=30


page 47 – covering the date 2007/11/13 when he started making his first tamo , the 24 cm diameter one.

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/GA ... fid=0&p=47


Looks like he continued work on the first tamo after a drying period in Jan 2008, on page 44, though there could be entries between this date and Nov 2007.

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/GA ... fid=0&p=44

If you find particularly useful entries from this blog’s tamo entries , you might post them in new post to make them easier to find for those who might be interested. Good luck, have fun finding useful info.

Sorry, I can’t resist tempting you with a couple of entries of the later steps in making the 24 cm tamo frame. :roll:

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/20901785.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

24 cm frame nearly completed, note : this entry also has links back to some previous steps in its making. And surprising to me, links also to tamo 3 and 4. I thought he had only worked on 2 tamo frames. Still much to be found in his blog entries.

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/urotasoniko/21109736.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

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Re: Some additional Japanese Tamo making web sites

Postby dwalker » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:50 pm

A few pictures showing how-to attach an antler to end of the handle using a piece of all thread, thread cutter and epoxy. Or maybe it's better to say it shows one way of doing it.

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/112donsuke/c/18b2 ... 1a546d998d

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=ja&tl=en

scroll down about 1/4 way where you will find links on the left side to other steps taken: such as how the mounted the frame for drying and doing some fancy art work on the handle. Its an ayu frame perhaps they tend toward fancier frame finishes. But I think the antler attachment technique would be the same for the smaller tenkara tamo frame handles.
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