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Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

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Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby Wupperfischer » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:05 am

News from the German horsehairline engeneering lab:
I love to fish with horsehairlines. The problem with the horsehairline is the low breaking strength of the hairs. My idea was to find a solution to raise the breaking strength of the furled horsehair. After a lot of try and error I found a solution.
I mix the horsehair with a special very thin, very strong and nearly invisible thread, which avoids the horsehair to break. The main problem is to furl this very soft thread with the same tension as the stiffer horsehair. Furling by hand for a satisfactory result is nearly impossible. With some technical help i found a solution. The next problem to solve was the connection of the single ready furled segments, due to the fact that the thread cuts the hair in the knots. But I also found a solution for this.

Finally I can now furl a line with 2 horsehairs in the tippet section which looks like pure horsehair. The diameter looks like a thin 3 hair tippet.

The material and they way I furl are at the moment my production secret.

And now the amazing part. In an experiment I fixed this new line (2 horsehairtippet) to my strong Yamame and tried to break the line by bending the rod. It doesn´t work. I was rather afraid to break the rod than the line.

Maybe I will post some pictures of the line later.

Best regards
Ronald
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby CM_Stewart » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:51 am

Well done!

I furl (twist) my lines by hand so it seems your method will not work for me. However, just the idea has got me thinking of other possibilities.
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby Wupperfischer » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:13 am

CM_Stewart wrote:Well done!

I furl (twist) my lines by hand so it seems your method will not work for me. However, just the idea has got me thinking of other possibilities.


Thanks for the compliment. I love our close intercontinental exchange and cooperation. You know my secret. Feel free to use it. I think it should be no problem for you as a smartish horsehair specialist to furl wonderfull nearly unbreakable lines for your own and for your customers. After selling thousends of lines you can invite me to New York. :) :)

Do you think "Hybrid-Horsehairline" is suitable as a short name for this type of line?
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby CM_Stewart » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:49 pm

If I sell thousands of lines we'll meet in Valsesia!

Hybrid-Horsehairline is hardly short!

Why not just call it the Mule-line?

It is stronger, it is a hybrid, and I find it very hard to work with! (Not hard to fish with, but hard to get it to do what I want when I'm making it).
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby Wupperfischer » Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:13 pm

CM_Stewart wrote:Why not just call it the Mule-line?


Brilliant, i love your interpretation. :D :D :D
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby Valsesia » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:25 pm

Hello guys, as you know I wait you next year on the Sesia for a Valsesiana fly fishing day.
I don't know why you break your line, but I can garantee you that three horsehair can to lift one kg like my small experiment in the photo .
You can try and if the line break that's not a good hair!
On the background you can see my horsehair line and the hairs to made it, I used this line for many fishing day and belive me has never broken!
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this one kg to lift with a three horsehair furled line
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby CM_Stewart » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:24 pm

Had to run the same test.

My three hair line will lift 1 kg if the line is dry. If the line is soaked in water for a while, as it would be if you are fishing, it stretches and stretches and stretches and then breaks.

The problem is not with the fish, the problem is with the streamside trees that reach out and grab your line as it flies past. Also, if a lightly hooked fish gets unbuttoned, the bend in the rod throws the line to the treetops. In my experience, hooks occassionally pull out of fish, they rarely pull out of trees.
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby Wupperfischer » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:08 am

Hi Andrea,

a visit of your valley is still on the plan for next year.

The problem with the normal horsehairline is that I sometimes catch nice chubs which are a little bit bigger than the normal trouts in mountain rivers. And fishes of this size can break a horsehairline when you fight them very hard. Last year I caught this fish on a 4 hair tippet. One hair broke but the rest of 3 hairs were enough to net it. Luckely I don´t have problems with getting stuck in trees. Up to now I haven´t remarked a bigger difference between a dry or wet line. Maybe I have to make some tests to find out if there is a big difference in the breaking strength of a wet or dry pure horsehairline.

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I will do some tests with my new “mule-line” to test the breaking strength as well. I bet my 2 hair line will lift more than 2 kg.

Best regards Ronald
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby Valsesia » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:37 pm

Ok guys, I finally understand what happens to your lines! Also mine friend the last year bought in internet horsehair for violin (because he have a fishing shop and made line to sell)and then he gave me to try one of his line because he don't fish and he found that hairs was unusually dry and awkward to twisted. I tried it and at the first fish strike one hair broke! I picked up the line and saw that the hairs was like spaghetti! They broke down at minimum jerk impossible to use! I use only horsehaires taken from me in person by a white stallion to mine friend, they don't breake dry or wet nothing changes. Know that to have a good casting the first thing is always wet completly the line before starting to fish, this does not affect the durability of the line you can belive me. To keep the lines is enough to keep them away from the sun and maybe not just wrap them tight , the system of our old anglers is wrapped the line around the hat you can see mine in the picture.
Just remember to wash the hairhorse only with mild soap and beware to the hairhorse sold online.
believe me we use these lines in hair for at least five hundred years and if it breaks you do not think that we would change material?
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Re: Nearly unbreakable Horsehairline

Postby Wupperfischer » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:11 pm

I think the quality of the hair i and Chris use is not the problem. We get our hair from Michael Hackney. This hair is not dry and does not habit like uncooked spagetti, it is soft and you can bend it in all directions. This is first class hair.
When fishing a horsehairline for normal trout up to 35-40 cm there is no problem. They can´t break the line if you are not complete stupid. Fighting bigger fishes is the challenge. Or fighting with trees like Chris does.
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